VOTE NO
Please go to the CNN link below and vote NO.
Spread the word.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/26/mideast.romeconf/index.html
Remember, poll results determine how the media covers the conflict.
posted by Palestinian Princess @ Wednesday, July 26, 2006
36 Comments:
Hi, Palestinian Princess~ Why is it in the interest of Palestinians, the region, and world peace itself to allow Hezbollah to remain armed? Seems like they have inflicted a lot of damage on innocent civilians, the Lebanese for one who have been dragged into this conflict against their will,and the Palestinians in the West Bank for seconds. Now that Israel has experienced rocket fire from regions from which it has withdrawn, it is doubtful the Israeli public will have any interest in pulling their army out of the West Bank after Hezbollah's antics. And last but not least, Israelis-- Arab and Jew alike--have been killed, confined to bomb shelters, and had their homes destroyed as a result of Hezbollah rockets. The International community should have had the courage to disarm Hezbollah years ago. But there is no time like the present. I voted YES to that question.
I voted no. I'd vote also for a disarmed Israel or at least an Israel off the teat of the USA Treasury.
But I'm funny that way.
Fatah fears that Israel could end its campaign in Lebanon before making significant gains against Hezbollah. 'Stopping the fighting now would be interpreted as an Israeli defeat, which would immediately affect events here, especially in the Gaza Strip,' said a Tanzim militia leader, who is among the leaders of the current intifada. "The extremist organizations, Islamic Jihad and Hamas, will feel as if the victory were theirs, as will the Palestinian public - which equates Hezbollah with Hamas. The moderate Palestinian camp will face collapse if Hezbollah has the upper hand when this war is over. What will Abu Mazen [Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas] be able to tell his people in the face of the achievements of [Hezbollah leader Hassan] Nasrallah or Hamas?" the Tanzim official asked rhetorically.
--from Haaretz
abu shaar ... that is to be expected. i bet you'd think the destruction of israel along with all its jewish citizens was funny too ...
abu shaar,
You know what has always pissed me off is how everybody complains of how Israel is being supported by US and blah blah....... Can somebody explain to me how is Israel supported by US? Yes US gives about 3 billion dollars for defense spendings AND most of these money is spent on joint projects with US. So now what is 3 billions to a country like Israel, that is peanuts? Palestenians get more money in International aid and BY THE way most of it comes from US.
What is undeniable is, Israel provides expertise in many many fields, most of US companies have branch offices in Israel not because US supports Israel but because people are smart there. Here are some quick facts:
The new Intel centrino dual core was designed in Israel (maybe that is why it is so good), Windows NT kernel was completely written in Microsoft Israel, most of the US military innovations were also developed in Israel, and this list goes on and goes on.........
So my point is STOP THIS FUCKING WAR and give education to palestinian youth in many technical disciplines and not how to make bombs. The world will be a much better place.
Thanks leaf. I work for NVIDIA right now. Too bad they don't have a branch there yet. But I heard it is a possibility.
You see I never understood all this hate toward israel from Arab world. I liked the drastic change of views in that blog that is maintained by two brothers from Iraq i think. Modern world should not have a barrier of race, nationality or religion. The only modern language should economy and business. Ones the rest of the Arab world understands that there won't be any problems. Look at Jordan and Egypt (Egypt is a bad example they just have too many people but still). After Jordan and Israel signed peace treaty, the GDP of Jordan has been steadily going up, they get a lot more investments from other western countries and so does Egypt. In short cooperation with Israel pays and Israel has proven that if somebody wants to work with them, they want to work with them too.
I suspect 3 billion USD (it is more than that, actually) is a lot in Israel's economy. Oh and those so-called "loans" to Israel aren't loans at all, since the US Congress passed a law increasing the amount of direct aid to Israel to cover any loan payment due to the US (the Alan Cranston amendment).
Joint projects?
You mean like the millions of USD worth of missiles and jet fuel that America just flew via the UK to you?
abu shaar: the ones that are and have been on "the teat of the US Treasury" are the Palestinians.............there is always some sort of humanitarian disaster that the Palestinians start and there is always begging for money and getting money from the EU, USA, etc that goes straight to private coffers of the leadership or to buy guns and amunitions.Look at Abbas's oi Dahlan's villa.........We absorved 800000 refugees from Arab countries. We have a tech industry, we have education, we are successful........make peace and join the race of people that want to build not to destroy.....and if you don't let your own guns take care of you.......Remember the greenhouses that the Israelis abandoned in Gaza? whom do you want to sell your produce?.......Build Abu Shaar, Do not destroy, Build..........
Hmm no that is not what I mean. Ok if you want to discuss who helps who then let's go. How about Russia? It has been supplying the whole Arab world, from Ak-47s to nuclear weapons and jets for the last 50 years!!! How about Iran and Syria supplying Hizbullah?
By the joint projects I meant economical cooperation and there is nothing wrong with that. When extremists in palestine lay down their weapons, they will also economical cooperation in all fields!
Anonymous I could not agree with you more. Israel has been succesful everyday under terrorism, war, embargos, and hate from other countries. When Hamas took over and western world turned around all of the sudden everybody started whining and crying, how can you do this to us, give us money, we dont have food, humanitarian disaster. Well let me ask you why should anybody help when the main goal of Hamas is to destroy Israel (internationally recognized sovereign state)? Where does all the donated money goes to? I am sure not to people but to corrupted officials.
In terms of Israeli-US cooperation for every cent that US gives to Israel it gets 10 cents back. All the technology, research, and other knowledge that comes out of that money are priceless.
Just remembered the last NASA's martian mission, the software that was on the rover was developed in Israel.
I am just very upset about what is going on in Israel and Lebanon right now. I don't understand how people can support a group or political party that leads to the destruction of their country. How can lebanese people support Hizbullah and how can palestinians support Hamas? They act against their national interests.
This brings memories to me, when I was a kid in Russia and in 1992 the Soviet Union fell apart. I can't forget how happy people were. The regime that opressed so many finally did not exists.
ny ti blia alex zhid parxatij....tebia is rossii vityrili tak ti sejchas palestintsam zhizn' portish........malo vidimo nemtsi pechej stroili
iran skoro ydelaet tvoj ebannij isRail......arabi pokazhyt skoro chto texnologia mozhet sdelat' s sionismom........hahahaha
ivan,
ty chego ohuel? Iz za takih pidorov kak ty etot mir takoi kakoi on est'. Esli ty ne mojesh chto to cel'noe skazat tak luchshe molchi kozel!! Ya by tebe v jizni by takih pizdy nadoval....
Lucy,
I don't think Condi's agenda can be summed up by a QuickVote.
I really think you are overstating the effect of polls such as this.
However, your post did pique my curiosity. So I checked out the poll and chose to vote "yes." Because without disarming Hezbollah, cease fire is really just "time out."
Hizbullah needs to disarmed at last! It is in the interest of the whole middle east!
How can lebanese people support Hizbullah and how can palestinians support Hamas?
How can anyone support Israel, a country that was created by taking other people's land and forcing them to live in refuge camps? It's not opinion, it's fact. Just because something awful happened to you doesn't mean you can go and do something awful to someone else.
What's done is done, though, and Arabs need to get over it, too. But until those displaced people are compensated for losing their land, they have every right to be angry.
Do unto others, man, do unto others.
I agree with what Alex said. Why is everyone so loathe to put pressure on Hezbollah? No one is disputing that they are the cause of the conflict. The power to stop it is also in their hands. Just return the kidnapped soldier and stop shooting missiles into Israel. By not doing so, they make it obvious that they're willing to sacrifice Lebanese civilians in order to continue with their offense.
No, it is Israel that is deliberately killing hundreds of Lebanese civilians. The war crimes are on Israel's head.
You should read the Nuremberg principles sometime: the part about attacking noncombatants and destroying civilian infrastructure
Oops... Guess I pressed the wrong button. Thanks for the link though.
slish alex, mozhet tebe escho odno obreazanie sdelat'?
na pol'zy pojdet ja dymau!
tolko na etot raz vmesto chlena ja bi tebe golovy otrezal
abu shaar,
What about Hizbullah shooting their rockets everywhere? How would you classify that? Israel is very careful about what it bombs and how it bombs!!! I am sorry to say this but Hizbullah was the one that started this. Even states like Saudi Arabia agree with that. Yes a lot of people say that Israel overreacted. I don't think so. No sovereign country should tolerate terrorism especially when it comes from another sovereign country. Civilians deaths are unfortunate but in the long run Lebanon will be a better place without Hizbullah! With the same line of thinking Japan should level North Korea for all the japanese people that it kidnapped. Lebanon is not west bank or gaza, if palestinians have some excuse for their resistance Hizbullah and Lebanon don't!
Oh yeah what about what happened today in my hometown (Seattle) The guy shot 6 people at jewish federation building and what did he say in his defense? I am an arab and mad at Israel. How screwed up is that? Do you see jews going to arab community centers or mosques and shooting at people in US? I don't think so.
http://lebforces.org/forum/showthread.php?t=12246
This is what lebanese people think about Hizbullah.
ABU SHAR Joint projects? You mean like the millions of USD worth of missiles and jet fuel that America just flew via the UK to you?
Geezzz... How do you find this information, I wish I knew this kinda stuff, thanks for the info.
ANONYMOUS there is always some sort of humanitarian disaster that the Palestinians start and there is always begging for money and getting money from the EU, USA, etc that goes straight to private coffers of the leadership or to buy guns and amunitions.Look at Abbas's oi Dahlan's villa
PEOPLE, not every Palestinian lives in a refugee camp, yes, millions were displaced but there are some of us that come from old money, you think Mazen's villa's nice, you will drop dead when you see mine! lol, that reminds me of the time I was at Allenby bridge and I had to tell my life story of what I did in Jordan and I told them I stayed at the 4 seasons for a month and I showed them my bill for "proof" and the officers jaw dropped, it kills me how people think ALL PALESTINIANS ALWAYS lived in camps, I just wanna say "no dawling, those poor people are the ones that were forced to leave their homes back in the day, some of us were always from the W. Bank and although we lost some money during the wars it was nothing like them, and you know what, they deserve more aid then what they get. And don't worry, people with money do help here so don't get on my ass about that." BTW, Im not saying that some of the money hasnt been pocketed bgy officials (enter hamas to save the day) but you can't assume that all leaders do that, because some people just have money like it or not.
DEADULUSMy organization is hiring in the Mideast department. Can you get a work permit? We do institutional reform work and could use an Arabic speaker.
Are you serious? that would be awesome, email me the details, palestinianprincess@earthling.net, please give me some time to reply, I am having troubles getting net access these days.
ALEX http://lebforces.org/forum/showthread.php?t=12246
This is what lebanese people think about Hizbullah.
I don't think many people like Hizbollah very much, I really really don't. But I don't think everyone thinks that Israel acts with the best intentions, I swear to god their MAJOR plan is to dominate the whole middle east with USA. I just wanted to remind you all of the following quote from: David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.
"We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai."
BRAVO GOOD JOB ISRAEL. Right on plan!
Alex, I still love you!
abu shaar: Everybody in the ME knows that the non combatants killed are civilians that Hezbollah has not let abandon their villages.........Hezbollah hides behind WOMEN AND CHILDREN and the whole world knows it baby!
Palestinian Princess: You really do not think that Israelis are still following Ben Gurion.......... My brother and his family leave in the North and they all detest Likud........all of them are veterans of the IDF......but the whole family is tired of the kassams, etc.......LET'S MAKE PEACE in the present and let's keep talking until some of our leaders have the courage to initiate a peace dialogue.
abu shaar: If you make peace with Israel you may benefit from the following:The Middle East has been growing date palms for centuries. The
> average tree is about 18-20 feet tall and yields about 38 pounds of
> dates a year.
>
> Israeli date trees are now yielding 400 pounds/year and are short
> enough to be harvested from the ground or a short ladder.
>
> Israel the 100th smallest country, with less than 1/1000th of the
> world's population, can lay claim to the following :
>
> The cell phone was developed in Israel by Israelis working in the
> Israeli branch of Motorola, which has its largest development center
> in Israel .
>
> Most of the Windows NT and XP operating systems were developed by
> Microsoft-Israel.
>
> The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel .
>
> Both the Pentium-4 microprocessor and the Centrino processor were
> entirely designed, developed and produced in Israel.
>
> The Pentium microprocessor in your computer was most likely made in
> Israel.
>
> Voice mail technology was developed in Israel.
>
> Both Microsoft and Cisco built their only R&D facilities outside the
> US in Israel.
>
> The technology for the AOL Instant Messenger ICQ was developed in 1996
> by four young Israelis.
>
> Israel has the fourth largest air force in the world (after the U.S,
> Russia and China). In addition to a large variety of other aircraft,
> Israel's air force has an aerial arsenal of over 250 F-16's. This is
> the largest fleet of F-16 aircraft outside of the U. S.
>
> Israel's $100 billion economy is larger than all of its immediate
> neighbors combined.
>
> Israel has the highest percentage in the world of home computers per
> capita.
>
> According to industry officials, Israel designed the airline
> industry's most impenetrable flight security. US officials now look
> (finally) to Israel for advice on how to handle airborne security
> threats.
>
> Israel has the highest ratio of university degrees to the population
> in the world.
>
> Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other
> nation by a large margin - 109 per 10,000 people --as well as one of
> the highest per capita rates of patents filed.
>
> In proportion to its population, Israel has the largest number of
> startup companies in the world. In absolute terms, Israel has the
> largest number of startup companies than any other country in the
> world, except the U.S. (3,500 companies mostly in hi-tech).
>
> With more than 3,000 high-tech companies and startups, Israel has the
> highest concentration of hi-tech companies in the world -- apart from
> the Silicon Valley, U.S.
>
> Israel is ranked #2 in the world for venture capital funds right
> behind the U.S.
>
> Outside the United States and Canada, Israel has the largest number of
> NASDAQ listed companies.
>
> Israel has the highest average living standards in the Middle East.
>
> The per capita income in 2000 was over $17,500, exceeding that of the
> UK.
>
> On a per capita basis, Israel has the largest number of biotech
> startups.
>
> Twenty-four per cent of Israel's workforce holds university degrees,
> ranking third in the industrialized world, after the United States
> and Holland and 12 per cent hold advanced degrees.
>
> Israel is the only liberal democracy in the Middle East.
>
> In 1984 and 1991, Israel airlifted a total of 22,000 Ethiopian Jews
> (Operation Solomon) at Risk in Ethiopia, to safety in Israel.
>
> When Golda Meir was elected Prime Minister of Israel in 1969, she
> became the world's second elected female leader in modern times.
>
> When the U. S. Embassy in Nairobi, Kenya was bombed in 1998, Israeli
> rescue teams were on the scene within a day -- and saved three
> victims from the rubble.
>
> Israel has the third highest rate of entrepreneurship -- and the
> highest rate among women and among people over 55 - in the world.
>
> Relative to its population, Israel is the largest immigrant-absorbing
> nation on earth. Immigrants come in search of democracy, religious
> freedom, and economic opportunity. (Hundreds of thousands from the
> former Soviet Union)
>
> Israel was the first nation in the world to adopt the Kimberly
> process, an international standard that certifies diamonds as
> "conflict free."
>
> Israel has the world's second highest per capita of new books.
>
> Israel is the only country in the world that entered the 21st century
> with a net gain in its number of trees, made more remarkable because
> this was achieved in an area considered mainly desert.
>
> Israel has more museums per capita than any other country.
>
> Medicine... Israeli scientists developed the first fully
> computerized, no-radiation, diagnostic instrumentation for breast
> cancer.
>
> An Israeli company developed a computerized system for ensuring proper
> administration of medications, thus removing human error from medical
> treatment. Every year in U. S. hospitals 7,000 patients die from
> treatment mistakes.
>
> Israel's Given Imaging developed the first ingestible video camera,
> so small it fits inside a pill. Used to view the small intestine from
> the inside, cancer and digestive disorders .
>
> Researchers in Israel developed a new device that directly helps the
> heart pump blood, an innovation with the potential to save lives
> among those with heart failure. The new device is synchronized with
> the camera helps doctors diagnose heart¹s mechanical operations
> through a sophisticated system of sensors.
>
> Israel leads the world in the number of scientists and technicians in
> the workforce, with 145 per 10,000, as opposed to 85 in the U. S.,
> over 70 in Japan, and less than 60 in Germany. With over 25% of its
> work force employed in technical professions. Israel places first in
> this category as well.
>
> A new acne treatment developed in Israel, the Clear Light device,
> produces a high-intensity, ultraviolet-light-free, narrow-band blue
> light that causes acne bacteria to self-destruct -- all without
> damaging surrounding skin or tissue.
>
> An Israeli company was the first to develop and install a large-scale
> solar-powered and fully functional electricity generating plant, in
> southern California's Mojave desert.
>
> All the above while engaged in regular wars with an implacable enemy
> that seeks its destruction, and an economy continuously under strain
> by having to spend more per capita on its own protection than any
> other county on earth.
TO the Above Commenter:
You're right... but I also want to point out that Israel brings technology from around the world, because Israeli's are all from America and Europe... They are all immigrants who grew up with the best. We Palestinians are still trying to see the best while being supressed and occupied. Thank you very much.
PULEASE.
It would be funny were it not tragic you mention the date palms, since the Israeli occupation forces have bulldozed thousands and thousands of dunams of orchards and other crops, uprooted centuries-old olive trees. I have seen this.
...and to add to that...who do you think PLANTED those date palm orchards??????
The Palestinians of course, the same people who planted the orange orchards in Jaffa long before the creation of the false Jewish nation in Palestine.
Hi Palestinian Princess,
I hope life as a Dhimmi will not be too bad for you! Hope you can emigrate to Israel or the States.
"Palestinian Authority (PA) Sheik Muhammad Ibrahim Al-Madhi expressed these sentiments with regard to Jews during a Friday sermon broadcasted live on June 6, 2001 on PA TV, from the Sheik ‘Ijlin Mosque in
We welcome, as we did in the past, any Jew who wants to live in this land as a Dhimmi, just as the Jews have lived in our countries, as Dhimmis, and have earned appreciation, and some of them have even reached the positions of counselor or minister here and there. We welcome the Jews to live as Dhimmis, but the rule in this land and in all the Muslim countries must be the rule of Allah.
More recently, interviewed by Wall Street Journal reporter Karby Legget in late December of 2005, Hassam El-Masalmeh, who heads the Hamas contingent at the municipal council of Bethlehem, confirmed the organizations plan to re-institute the humiliating Koranic poll-tax on non-Muslims (i.e., jizya). El-Masalmeh stated explicitly,
We in Hamas intend to implement this tax someday. We say it openly – we welcome everyone to Palestine but only if they agree to live under our rules."
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49872
YMCA gets its just deserts
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Posted: April 24, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern
"I read the news today, oh boy ... And though the news was rather sad, well I just had to laugh ..."
– Lennon-McCartney
I had one of those John Lennon moments myself last week, reading about the plan by Hamas to close down the YMCA in a town within the Palestinian Authority.
It seems Hamas is making good on its pledge to rid areas it controls of all Christians, Jews, Christian institutions, Jewish institutions and even, in the case of the YMCA, formerly Christian organizations eagerly running away from their Christian heritage and legacy.
Maybe someone needs to send the Islamists in Qalqiliya the memo explaining that the YMCA is "their friend."
Years ago, the World Alliance of Young Men's Christian Associations betrayed its mission and began giving a bad name to Christianity – particularly with regard to its relations in the Middle East.
The Geneva-based international association did everything in its power to win friends among the Arabs and blame the violence in the Mideast on the Jews. Back in 2001, the group issued a blistering one-sided 3,000-word report on the Middle East prepared by a staff member after a visit by representatives of Argentina, Italy, the Netherlands and Norway.
"The visit was prompted by serious concern over what is clearly a deteriorating situation for the Palestinians in the wake of recent aggressions by the Israeli government, its army and settlers in the Occupied Territories of East Jerusalem, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip," the report explained.
The purpose of the trip, the report explained, was "to express our solidarity with our sisters and brothers in Palestine who are victims of a failed peace process and Israeli oppression."
Based on the experiences of the five-day trip to the Mideast, the international YMCA representatives concluded:
"There are systematic and widespread human rights violations being perpetrated on the entire Palestinian population. These abuses take the form of demolishing houses, shooting at ambulances, detention of people without charges, killing people without provocation and placing villages and cities under states of siege," the report said.
"There is use of massive force against unarmed protesters and completely innocent people, mainly women, the elderly and children."
"The one-sided nature of the conflict demands that the YMCA take the side of the oppressed Palestinian people."
Now, keep in mind, the YMCA is supposed to be a worldwide Christian, ecumenical, voluntary movement for women and men with special emphasis on the involvement of young people. Its mission is to build a human community of justice with love, peace and reconciliation.
But there wasn't much love, peace and reconciliation shown to Israel in this report.
In fact, the national director of the YMCA of the USA, Kenneth Gladish, felt compelled to write a letter to Geneva distancing his group from the world alliance report.
"The language, tone and characterizations included in [the report] do nothing to aid the true cause of peace and stability, nor do they position the YMCA for effective service across the boundaries of dispute," he wrote. "These documents are inappropriate and can serve only to inflame the long-standing tensions in the region."
If the YMCA thought things were bad when these areas were under the control of Israelis, imagine what the organization must think now. Now, the YMCA in Qalqiliya is the target of Molotov cocktails from the friendly natives – those previously defended as the "oppressed Palestinian people." Now, every Friday the local clergy call upon the local population to revolt against the infidels at the YMCA.
What is the definition of irony?
A Christian organization betrays its mission and early beliefs and sides with Muslim terrorists. Then this organization finds out the truth about the Muslim terrorists too late. The group then becomes the target of the Muslim terrorists' wrath only because of its empty "Christian" name.
Well, I just had to laugh.
bekasha...tishma li. ani tzioni aval rotze litain tzedekah la am palestina.
ain li harbe kesef aval post an snail mail address on your next post bishvili litain kesef lihem
ken ani rav v'gam yesh li smicha biyeshiva charadi aval achshav lo ...biduook lo.
yesh lanu la-asot masahu.
para shalom le am yisrael vi am paslestina.
zeh lo goozmah.
ve ken ani tzioni bi mah ifcha li im ain shalom biyachad
ha rav sh anda en ha tzal
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