6 Israeli's Killed by Suicide Bomber in Tel Aviv
Before I start my post, I just wanted to give my sympathies for the family and friends of the people that were killed today due to the mindlessness of a suicide bomber.
I just got word of this right now from Al-jazeera and wanted to write something straight away, because I am appauled as many of us are, even in Palestine which may seem surprising for people who think that EVERY Palestinian condones suicide bombings, infact MANY do not, especially now a days. It was different during the intifada, back then it was resistance, but these days it is really terror.
Many of us want to work together for peace for all, but with idiots who think that killing civilians is going to be the answer need to wake up... VIOLENCE IS NOT THE ANSWER!
I want to write more, but I just took a minute to do this, I will be back to respond.
Seriously, this is not right, the violence needs to stop. We need to come up with a solution to teach people who don't seem to see this and we need to do this now, or the situation will just be getting worse.
posted by Palestinian Princess @ Monday, April 17, 2006
30 Comments:
I agree. This is not the way to solve the problem. However it is the result of a unfair war.
My thoughts are with those families who lost their loved ones today and all the other days.
Lucy, I admit I'm delighted to see this post. But I'm appalled myself that you called blowing up babies a "resistance strategy" during the "intefada."
Hamas believes that what happened today is just fine. In fact, it helps fund "operations" just like this one. Do you still wonder why no one will provide financial assistance to a Hamas-led PA?
imaan, if this was an unfair war, Israel would simply erase gaza from the map. Like the United States, China or Russia would do to their enimies.
Why doesn't Israel do such things?
Nevertheless, lives are still lost. Be it Palestinian or Israeli, they are still lives. To some, it is just a mere number. My heart goes out to the innocent people who died.
When death occurs, some people tend to say, they deserve it. They start pin-pointing at one another. But hardly, they put themselves in the shoes of the people who are close to the ones they lost.
You know, I just saw the photo of the young BOY who did the suicide bombing and I am sooooo appauled, because I know he was totally brainwashed... I don't think that suicide bombing is a "reaction" or we would produce more bombers, and thank god we don't, hence why I KNOW that the majority of Palestinians DO NOT SEE THIS AS THE SOLUTION.
Just for everyones information that doesn't have access to Arabic TV, but they showed the boy's family and they are completely distraught that there son would do and even did this...
You know what makes me sick, I am sure the guys who used this boy wouldn't be convincing there own family members to do this...
IT MAKES ME WANNA BARF.
UHHHHHH...
Tomer, "not as bad as the other major human rights violators" is hardly a robust defence of the Israeli occupation force.
Not that I haven't heard it before.
But I am not comforted that those who shoot children and bomb apartment houses see themselves as more moral than George W. Bush, Hu Jintao, or Vladimir Putin.
Abu Shaar, I didn't make my point clear I guess....
I'm not defending.. I'm asking... if it was an all out unfair war, wouldn't that be the IDFs response.. I think the RESTRAIN shown by the Israeli military shows that fact the Israeli government is looking for a real solution.
My point is, let’s look for a solution, and stop saying who did what when and how… because that is quite endless.
(As a game, I'd like you to tell me, if tomorrow the roles were reversed, and the Palestinians were the strong ones while the Israeli Authority was in the position the PA is now… do you think “Palestine” would react the same as Israel has? Better? Worse?)
(restraint i think was the word i wanted)
It is in some ways useless pointing out history in this conflict, because no matter what both sides think they are right. However by UNFAIR I meant just what you yourself pointed out; that Israel are the "strong ones".
And speaking of history, there has been a time when Palestine were stronger so we can just see how they treated the jews in those times.
For the record, I did say that I agree; this violence doesn' solve the problem.
It is in some ways useless pointing out history in this conflict
And speaking of history, there has been a time when Palestine were stronger so we can just see how they treated the jews in those times.
That isn't fair what you just did :)
And speaking of history, there has been a time when Palestine were stronger so we can just see how they treated the jews in those times...
1929?
tomer-
why doesnt israel wipe gaza off the map? well its effectively doing so. by shelling its people, closing the borders so people don't get food; paralyzing the economy- i think this a reciepe for complete destruction, is it not? israel itself proclaimed it has placed gaza on 'a diet'.
you are right in that we need to look for a soln. a soln based on justice and human rights for all.
The Israeli occupation forces certainly made a good start wiping Rafah off the map
Useless in the way that we could continue writing comment after comment without any result.
al-falasteenyia,
I hope that is your nick, i had to check your blog.. I can't read Arabic, which in my opinion is a shame.
If Israel was interested in destroying Gaza, it would be with carpet bombing, not shelling.
(I'd really like to stop using lucy's blog as a political forum... I'll come to any blog invited and stick around if I find partners for intelligent conversation)
There was a time when Palestinians were all equal (all be it under Ottoman rule). It didn't matter whether they were Jewish, Muslim or Christian, Palestinians were Palestinians.
It wasn't until after the defeat of the Turks in Palestine and the immigration of European Jews to Palestine with the idea of creating an exclusivly Jewish state within Palestine that all of this trouble began...(and continues)...
Tomer, I believe there is a solution: "A Free Palestine!" Which is to say: a Palestine for ALL irregardless of religion or language.
The Israeli 'experiment' has failed and we need to re-unify Palestine...peacefully!
And just as I say I’d NOT like to use this blog as a forum...
"A Free Palestine" is a wonderful idea, but it won't provide a JEWISH homeland. It will be yet another country with Jewish minority.
As we've all learned by watching the 'Coyote and Roadrunner' cartoons...it doesn't matter how hard you try...jumping off of a cliff while flapping your arms will not provide you with enough lift to fly either. What you will get is a bone crushing landing EVERYTIME...which is were we are today...(read the headline of this post from Lucy).
After 58 years, I think it's time to try another approach.
I think it is sad that you argue when children are killed.
Do you know who is right?
Children are being killed on both sides.
Stop arguing and stop the killing of children.
That is more important.
Lucy, as much as I'd like to believe it, still I'd really like to know - how do you know?
"hence why I KNOW that the majority of Palestinians DO NOT SEE THIS AS THE SOLUTION."
Tse.
This may sound naive, I say I KNOW the majority of people believe that violence is not the solution because all of my friends, family, community and organizations I belong to believe this... Everyone I come into contact with believes this... Ofcourse there are the "thugs" we just need to take care of their needs... Maybe they are "thugging" about because they don't have money, jobs, hope... we need to tackle that, hence my new post about "Finding the Light" once we meet peoples intrinsic needs and wants, we will work towards a better humanity for all.
While you may believe the majority feel that violence is not the solution, you will find poll after poll revealing that the majority of palestinian people support such violence.
As for allah, these suicide bombers dehumanized themselves. Nothing to do with occupation (As there were no palestinian attacks against Egypt and Jordan from 1948 through 1967, regardless of the inhumane living standards of the then-occupied territories).
As for finding the light, the palestinians of this generation will not find it. They have been indoctrinated to hatred by their school masters.
you will find poll after poll revealing that the majority of palestinian people support such violence.
Of course it all depends on the precise question. And of course you will find poll after poll revealing that the majority of the the Israeli people support the greater, more lethal and less excusable violence of their government.
As there were no Palestinian attacks against Egypt and Jordan from 1948 through 1967 Really? So how did King Abdullah, the present King Abdullah's great-grandfather die?
I see we've been pondering the same problem, lately. What to do with Israel and Palestine..? Or, similarly, what to do with the US and the "terrorists"? What about Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, and al Qaeda? Well, I certainly haven't come up with the solution. I'll probably end up sounding like a raving lunatic, but I do believe I have found a clue.
I think that all of these cold wars, hot wars, hatred and fear are nothing more than feints. There are no good guys, and there are no bad guys; there are only moves in a very large and sadistic game, which has only a single purpose: to cause pain and suffering to humanity.
Do you believe in the devil; a being far more cunning and evil than bin Laden's Great Satan? I do. I believe he's exactly who made this game, and he's cunning enough to keep us at each other's throats, so that we don't even know what game we're playing until we've already lost. We beat each other to a bloody mountain of corpses, completely oblivious to his existence, while he watches with complete amusement.
How do we beat him? Can we beat him? I don't know. But I'm convinced we don't have any hope of winning unless, 1, we realize that this is a game much bigger than Israel and Palestine, the US and al Qaeda, etc.; and 2, we realize we're all on the same side, regardless of whether we're in Israel, Palestine, the US, or any other country on the planet.
Anonymous,
You are absolutely correct... Cheers!!
Allah, that's awkward. I always think that ONLY subjective ways can help. I hate it when I read what Israel is doing to Palestinians (not to terrorists, I couldn't care less) and as a human being this sets my feelings in motion. Feelings of feeling sorry for them and also of getting mad at who's doing this to them (like when I saw those hilltop settlers that are bullying the Palestinian farmers and threaten them and shoot at them and keep them from harvesting their crops while no law & order exists in that part of the country that can -or wants to- help and protect those farmers, good, decent people just wanting to earn a living and taking it from their own land)...
while, if I wouldn't look at it subjectively, I might start to look at it in black/white, like Palestinian terror-organizations and Israeli nationalist parties put the picture in front of us: "they're" bad, "we're" good.
Subjective involvement I think brings forward the true recognizing of what's "bad" and "good" - dependend on actions, not on ethnicy....
While the harrasment of the hilltop settlers or the collective punishment and denigrading attitudes of some of the IDF soldiers and the suicide-attacks or qassam-shootings can still go on - "bad" people have us, "good" people (i.e. wanting peace, equality, justice and meaning no harm to anyone) in their power. To recognize that one has to become more subjective, I think.
Tse.
What a cute blog. Every time someone points out that the Israelis could wipe out Palestine, the instant response is that "well, they already are, by denying us access to their hospitals / farms / vehicles / weapons / helpless children."
The fact that you actually believe the Israelis' desire to live is just as deadly to Palestinians as the Hamas's desire to kill is to Israelis, shows that everyone here is way too far gone to ever separate fact from fantasy.
To Anon 9.26
So what is real to you?? Clarify.
Have you lost all hope in humanity? Do you have a preferance for either group? Who is your prefered bad guy??
So what is your solution to this problem? You must have one, ours is (meaning we who live here and are the people) a fantasy and very cute. Maybe we should give you a shoulder to cry on or enough sympathy to make you feel better but I just don't feel like it. Life is tough and who has not felt pain.
I prefer Hope and Cute to dispair and hate anyday.
No response to my reaction a.m.?
:(
Tse.
This post o PP did surprise me. Well.., I did post some pictures in my own blog.
Click here to see the post
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